Ichiruki Vs Ichihime Essay


               Ichigo gets insanely mad when someone wants to hurt Orihime.This assumptions really makes me wonder,though I will explain why later on.

first,let's go and check if this is true...

Let's begin with this one...


                Hmm,he's really mad,eh?However,was it because he might really have a romantic feelings for Orihime,or is there a different reason why he's mad?Apparently,some people are only focusing on the part that they wanted to see/read in the story.For example,in this scene,they are only talking about the part where Ichigo said "If you want to kill Inoue,you better kill me first." obviously ignoring the second panel (the one before his speech),in which he answered Sora's question,why is he interfering?Ichigo answered "Sorry but,...that's my job".Though,I believe that it was more than just because of his job,don't get me wrong,I only want to say that it is also because of his personality.Ichigo don't want to see anyone getting hurt (he's a SHOUNEN hero).

                As far as I can see,the reason why Ichigo is so angry towards Sora's behavior in those chapters is because of this...


               Ichigo is a very protective brother.Just like Sora,Ichigo have little sisters as well.As a very protective brother,he can never understand those who bring harm to their little sisters,instead of protecting them.In fact,he also gets angry towards Byakuya for the same reason during the ByaIchi fight.

now,let's move on to this one...


               It's truly amazing how this scene can even have a meaning (beyond my imagination) as well.As if comic reliefs doesn't exist?In any case,some people are implying that they never saw Ichigo gets angry when someone does the same thing for Chad or Ishida (despite the fact that I have never seen anyone does the same thing towards Chad and Ishida,so I wonder where that kind of speculations came from).However,they are obviously ignoring this comment from Yoruichi...

      
               In case some people haven't noticed,Yoruichi is pointing out that Ichigo doesn't seem to realize the danger in Orihime's actions.Ichigo just thought that Yoruichi is just over reacting with the situation.

then...              

               When the Arrancar arc started...there are some speculations that Ichigo really is getting more affected,when someone hurts Orihime,after seeing this...


                Some people are claiming that Ichigo only did that promise to Orihime,implying that he is more affected to what happened to her compared to Chad and Tatsuki.Read here for more explanation regarding this.

now,let's move on to this one...

     
                They say that Ichigo gets insanely mad,because Ukitake and Yamamoto were implying that Orihime might be dead,they even see Ichigo here like,as if he wants to kill Yamamoto.In any I case,I suggest you to read here for more details.

And then after seeing this...


Those people's speculations gets stronger,however,please read here for more explanation regarding this.

Then...


               Their speculations gets even stronger...the hell they even think that Orihime became more important than Rukia? O.o seriously?Because the enemy didn't get the reaction that they want from him when they mentioned Rukia,and when they mentioned Orihime,they got the reaction that they wanted from him?Really?

                   It is truly amusing how some people kept on saying that Ichigo reacted to what Ulquiora told him about taking Orihime to the HM.Although,it's just normal that Ichigo would definitely get angry,what Ulquiora have done to Orihime is absolutely wrong,and he even ruined her image to everyone (even to him)...

did they just forget this?

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                Some people really have the tendency of focusing on the part that sounds favorable for their pairing,and ignoring the parts that contradicts their speculations.This kind of behavior won't help your ship to prevail.What those people are doing,is adding disappointment on their part when things gets to the undeniable stage.Therefore,they end up trash talking about the author,and accuse him from being biased,because the other pairing is more popular,blah blah blah.

               How about the GrimmIchi fight...true that Ichigo reacted when GJ told him about Orihime's true condition.However,some people are again,focusing on the part that may favor their pairing,and again....ignoring such parts that counters it,just like this one...


                See that?that's what GJ said after saying that he likes Ichigo's reaction,when he mentioned Orihime's true condition.

                 Yet,from there,their beliefs that Ichigo really is getting insanely mad every time that someone wants to hurt Orihime seems to become solid.And most (if not all) of his angry reactions were seen as something that implies a romantic feelings for Orihime.Just like here too...


And the series of hints that Ichigo might really have a  romantic feelings for Orihime,continues....

                   Wait,just want to add more scene that some people used as proofs of Ichigo's love for Orihime,I was talking about this....


Those people are only paying attention to this part...


                Some people say that Orihime is really the most important person to Ichigo,which gave him the reason to become stronger (so he might really love her,romantically),eh?And once again,ignoring the other part,which shows that she isn't the only prospect of Ulquiora that may help (reason,why he become stronger) Ichigo become stronger,like what this panel is talking about...

  
Ah,the power of shipping goggles can do (*´▽`*)

Okay,continuing...


And here too...


And when he said this....


Yeah,squealing of course,who wouldn't be?However,as if they have never seen this before?


                Remember that Ichiruki scene?Why is it that,when Ichigo said those words for Rukia,it's just plainly platonic,yet when he said the same thing for Orihime,it is something that might be romantic? O.o
Seriously,people,I am really confused.

But that never ends there,



               This is the strongest proof of Ichigo's love for Orihime (according to some Ichihime shippers)....they are claiming that Ichigo sacrificed his humanity,for the sake of protecting Orihime,however,is it actually true?Read here for more detailed explanation about that particular scene.

And in "The Lost Agent Arc",they had this...


And is paying attention to the only part that they wanted to read (the words that I encircled with red)...


               They seem to ignore the part in which he also mentioned about hurting Ishida (the green encircled one).

                All in all,Ichigo really looks insanely mad,every time someone hurts Orihime.However,I can only see it as something that might be romantic,if Ichigo is only behaving like that,when it concerns Orihime specifically.Unfortunately,it wasn't the case in BLEACH.

                As far as I can see,Ichigo is someone who doesn't want to see ANYONE getting hurt,not only Orihime.Normally,Ichigo gets insanely mad every time there is someone who gets hurt,like I said,Ichigo is a SHOUNEN HERO.It doesn't matter whether they are stranger,or even an enemy,he'll get really mad.

 Let's start with this one...   


               That scene is from Back Leachbomb Or Mom chapter.Ichigo is angry for what that hollow did to Karin,Chad and Rukia,but the thing that really made him insanely mad,is this...


How does Ichigo reacted after hearing the hollows horrible sin?Look here...


                Did you see how insanely mad he had become?Actually,that never ends there,Ichigo is not yet satisfied by doing just that,look at him here...


                The anger that Ichigo felt for that hollow,is for the kid who possessed the parakeet,and his Mom who died while protecting him from that murderer (the hollow),who are a complete strangers.However,you can say that Ichigo could just empathize with the kid,but,how about this one?


                 Right,they were talking about Kon there,as you can see,after hearing the cancellation order,Ichigo felt disappointed with the Soul Society,he even asked Rukia if she's okay with that.He didn't liked it.And when he saw Urahara took Kon...


Ichigo got so worried about him,which is only a mod soul.

                The next one is from 6/17 Op. 5 Fighting Boy do I still have to elaborate this chapter?This chapter is about Ichigo's fight with Grand Fisher,I believe I don't need to say how Ichigo gets insanely mad here,am I right?

carrying on....

Ichigo gets angry with Ishida here as well...


                He's angry with Ishida's way of proving his strength to all the shinigamis.Ishida used a bait that summoned the numerous amount of hollows which will cause a lot of trouble with everyone.Read everything from Back To Back Tearing Sky chapter if you have already forgotten what have happened there.From that chapter,Ichigo said that he didn't want to see sad faces (those who loses their loved ones).The reason why he didn't want to see someone getting hurt,is because they have someone who cares for them so much,and will be sad if something bad happens to them.

Anyways,do you remember this?


                Ichigo is definitely insanely mad during that time,why?because Renji and Byakuya wants to drag Rukia back to the Soul Society.Can we take a closer look at his expression?


               I have never seen him looking like that out of anger for Orihime's behalf.He wasn't yelling,and full of seriousness,and you can see the venom in his expression,which really made him look scarier for a million times (exaggerating ^.^). In that scene,Ichigo is so adamant to protect Rukia,just so you know.

The next one is here...


                Ichigo got angry because Urahara told him to wait and train first,but Ichigo wanted to go to SS right away.Some people are comparing this scene,with this one...


                What those people needs to understand is,why does Ichigo got angry with those situations?Read here for more explanations about those scenes.

In any case,Ichigo also gets insanely mad here...


               Ichigo got angry,because Gin attacked Jidanbou who was an enemy that he had just defeated at that very moment,mind you.

               The next time we saw him getting insanely mad for someone who was hurt,is at the Crush chapter,another fight that is dedicated for Rukia.And the other is from ...



                Ichigo got angry for what Byakuya said about wanting to kill Rukia.,you could say it's normal because the guy wants to bring harm to his little sister,yet the point is,he gets very angry.Besides,some people are making a big deal about Ichigo vs Sora's fight which is practically similar to this one.

During the Arrancar arc...

               They (as usual) assumed that Ichigo is more angry for what happened to Orihime after the Yammy fight,as if they forgot this part of that fight?


                Obviously,Ichigo was insanely mad,because Yammy hurts Chad,does that mean that he might have a romantic feelings for him too?...*creepy*

Also...When they saw Ichigo did this....




I wonder if they just happen to forget that Ichigo does the same thing here too...


Does this mean that Ichigo is really having a romantic feelings for Chad as well?
(*´▽`*)

Want some more?...



Again,Ichigo does/said the same thing here...



Could it be that Ichigo,is actually a Bi? (¬__¬)

How about here?...


GrimIchi canon,now I am really starting to believe that Ichigo might be a "Bi" ヽ(´ー`)┌

And let's not forget this one...


Ichigo have also done this for Nel here...



The same could be said here...



                 Ichigo took the direct hit of Ulquiora's cero,in order to protect Nel ( I guess,since he end up like that ^.^'>)Ichigo also took a time to ask Nel if she's alright,just like what the Ichihime's are talking about Ichigo,always finding a time to ask her if she's alright.

Ironically,he never finds a time to say something like this to her...

               
                As if it was something hard to do?Seriously,was it hard to say "I came to save you Orihime". Whether Ulquiora was there in the middle of them,it won't hinder his ability to just say a word,don't you think?

Another thing...


                The moment Ichigo said those words to Orihime,I believe that is one of the proof that the Ichihime's are using,that Ichigo really cared for her the most.This scene was interpreted as Ichigo's vow to protect as well,just like the one that took place at the Punch Down The Stone Circle chapter,because of what Orihime said here...



                However,Ichigo never does that same thing only for Orihime.In fact,he have said the same words for this girl as well...


And also for this certain woman...


                But then again,that was only platonic since it was just Rukia,she can never be a candidate for Ichigo's romantic interest.No matter how much it was being emphasized in the story,that Ichigo treats her differently among everyone else,she just cannot be Ichigo's romantic interest,I don't even understand why.Sounds like...ヽ(´ー`)┌

                Want to see more of Ichigo's short tempered attitude when someone was getting hurt,or is being trashed talked by anyone?Look here...


               Do you see it now?Ichigo behaves like that NOT only when the subject is Orihime,but even to a stranger,and even for an enemy.Judging by the given examples,it's obvious that he normally behaves like that not exclusively for Orihime,does it still hold the meaning,or a hint that he might be treating her in a special way compared to anyone?That his behavior during those times might have a romantic connotation?Frankly speaking,the answer is...No.

One more thing...

               The best part of this argument (Ichigo gets insanely mad when someone wants to hurt Orihime) is... 

"When the enemy uses Rukia to PROVOKE Ichigo,they didn't liked his reaction,but when they uses Inoue to PROVOKE him,they became SATISFIED with his expression" --->originally posted by an Ichihime (implying that Inoue is more important to Rukia for Ichigo).

note: I wasn't trying to pick up on anyone else when I quote them,okay?I just want to put the exact words that they say,to avoid wrong information as much as possible.

Okay,continuing with the topic...

I'm pretty sure they are talking about this?...


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                IchiHime's said that Ichigo only reacted when Ulquiora mentioned Orihime,while he isn't like that when Ulquiora mentioned Rukia.I really wonder,what kind of a person Ichigo is in their POV?Therefore,I saw him acting the same way here....


                Some people might say that the situation was different,which I will disagree.Both scenes are showing Ichigo getting angry with the enemy who took the girls,and for what they have done to them...the only difference is how and why they were taken away.With Rukia,Ichigo already knew that Renji's one of the shinigami's who took her away,to be executed at the SS.On the other hand,Ichigo just found out the reason,and how Orihime was brought to the HM,when Ulquiora told him.Aside from those differences,the situation is definitely similar,just so you know.Oh,with Rukia having the more aggressive Ichigo...notice how KT sensei emphasized Ichigo's movements with that one.KT zoomed in Ichigo's foot,to emphasize the force that he created before he surged forward Renji,then focused on his zanpakuto clashed against Renji's,then the next panel showing the impact of his attack that droves Renji against the huge rock behind him.For your information,that is not because Renji is weaker than Ulqiora,keep in mind that during the SS arc,Ichigo is just a beginner,who lacks in battle experience,so technically,they were just even.

                Plus,for those who said that Ichigo is already fighting with Renji,so he doesn't need to provoke him to fight,whereas at the HM,Ulquiora used Orihime to provoke Ichigo.I wonder if they understand their own arguments?Based from their own arguments,it's clear how Rukia meant so much to Ichigo,he doesn't need them to provoke him into a fight,because,the moment they brought Rukia back at the SS,they have already provoked him to the extent that he persistently tried to become stronger,and fight against everyone who will try to stop him.Just like he said,"How many Captains there are?how many Vice Captains there are?What the hell does it have to do with me?I'll fight them no matter what!If they dare to try to stop me,then I'll defeat them all." While at the HM,Ulquiora still have to provoke him? O.o isn't Orihime's abduction was enough reason for him to fight?Well,yeah,he never thought that she was abducted at the beginning (too bad),however,even though he have heard the truth behind her reason for going to the HM,still Ichigo was determined to hold/hang her rescue,in order to be able to save Rukia,so...

Plus,when Ichigo reacted with GJ's revelation about Orihime's true condition,here.......


             Ichihime says "if u read that part of the manga grimm talks about rukia "i tore ur nakama etc etc" grim notices he didn't got the reaction he wanted and then grim says "even tho she isn't physicaly hurt her injuries are from the inside" (or something like that) ichigo reacts screaming "what did u do to her?" and grim says "that's the face i wanted to see!" so u could say orihime had a bigger impact than rukia on ichigo that time (u can read that part of the manga if u don't believe me)" 

               To put things bluntly,this scene shouldn't be used as a proof that Ichigo might have a romantic feelings for Orihime,because....what this scene shows,is Ichigo's lack of concern for Orihime's well being.Ichigo didn't think about her well being,he only realized it,when GJ told him about it.So much for someone who loves the girl,sigh.It is completely different from the Ichigo who is already thinking if taking Rukia with him (back in the Human World) would be the right thing to do,because Rukia might miss her family and friends in the SS (obviously thinking of Rukia's well being,he sin't just thinking about her physical safety).

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Another kind of speculations that really entertained me to no end,is this...

                  "Ichigo knew he needed to keep his energy if he wanted to be able to save orihime(as an ichihime i could easily say "u can see he is more interested in saving orihime cuz he thinks everything carefully, he is too scared to make a mistake and then losing Orihime" or something like that), he said it himself he needed that energy cuz he needs it to defeat any espada he might find in the way (he used his bankai and mask to attack ulquiorra)so he used his mask like he said he would if he found an espada, another thing is, rukia was going to be executed, while orihime wasn't really in danger, u could say ichigo was in a race against time when he saved rukia,unless tite says "byakuya spare ichigo's life because he saw how she wanted to protect him" or"ichigo didn't want to save energies when he saved rukia because rukia is more important than orihime that's why ichigo saved energies when he saved orihime, she is not that important"then those are not facts"--------------post by an IH shipper        

                Ichigo wanted to keep his energy,huh?Is that the actual reason why he was doing it?Afraid of making a mistake,and might lose Orihime?Or is it because of this?


                As you can see,Ichigo can only use the hollow form in a very short limited time,that's why he didn't want to use it as much as possible,or else,he might end up getting devoured by the hollow.In other words,Ichigo is afraid of losing HIMSELF,not Orihime.

                As for Orihime is more important than Rukia,I don't know if those people (again) have accidentally forgot this scene?


Ichigo : Idiot,I didn't say I want to save her.I said,I have to save her.

                   What his words mean is simple.He means,he didn't just want to save Rukia.He said,he have to save her,means it's a must.Ichigo there,is not putting the failed option,there's only "a must",means no matter what,he will save her,because it's a must,there's no room for failure,there should only be one outcome,and that is successfully saving Rukia,mind you.Ironically,he have never said such words when he rescued Orihime,there's only "to save Orihime" and the enemies doesn't even believed his words.That's odd,because it shows that the enemies doesn't see his motivations.(¬__¬)

And for the enemies using Orihime to provoke Ichigo...


"(he used his bankai and mask to attack ulquiorra),so he used his mask like he said he would if he found an espada"


He did this as well,during his fight with GJ.


But I want to ask something..........


 By the way,this part is all thanks to kunikun from Mangafox : Ichiruki vs Ichihime thread

In fact,Ichigo reacted the same way here,as well.........


                Dorondi tried to hurt Nel,in order to force Ichigo to use his bankai.In other words....the enemy used Nel,toprovokeIchigo to use his bankai,and what happened next?



               Ichigo used his bankai,for the sake of protecting Nel.Not only that...Dorondi wanted to see his hollow form,so he uses Nel,once more,to provoke Ichigo to use his hallow form...


What happened next?



Ichigo hollowfied as well

     
Aren't those scenes were completely the same here?



                Yeah,GJ and Ulquiora is using Orihime to provoke Ichigo,romantic?So I guess,Ichigo is a womanizer,huh?...uhmmmm...and a pedophile at that....(laughs).

One last thing...


EMPHASIZING THIS PART     (*ゝ_●・)σ

                    Ichigo knew he needed to keep his energy if he wanted to be able to save orihime (as an ichihime i could easily say "u can see he is more interested in saving orihime cuz he thinks everything carefuly, he is too scared to make a mistake and then losing orihime" or something like that)---------posted by IH shipper



                 Are we talking about KAIDE RUKAWA from Slam Dunk? (laughs) (Rukawa reserves his ENERGY during their fight with Ryonan,because he gets easily tired during their fight with Kainan,the game that they have LOST dramatically)  (*ゝ_●・)σ

 In any case...

Ichigo.REGRETTED.his.actions...so...(*ゝ_●・)σ









They do seem to be trapped in the first two arcs most of the time. Which is strange, because looking back on it, the material they were given in those arcs is nowhere near as great as it’s made out to be??

You have the Agent of the Shinigami arc, with Rukia basically training Ichigo to be a shinigami and running around Karakura Town fighting hollows together. That lasts for about 60 chapters, and then Rukia goes back to SS.

They’re given a decent amount of screentime in those 60 chapters, but a lot of it is also spent setting up the story of Bleach (rather than the story of Ichigo and Rukia, which is, despite what many argued for years, not the same thing), with little mini-arcs of chapters dedicated to Orihime, Chad, and Ishida along the way. Again, IR was given decent screentime in this arc, and, when compared to the rest of the series, this is when they were given the most screentime of any other arc.

I repeat: the most screentime IR was ever given was in the first arc. Their screentime and interactions drastically plateaued after that for the remainder of the series and never regained the focus it once had in the very beginning. Which is….not a good sign, if you ship it for canon.

The AotS arc is when they were at their highest in terms of screentime, and development. They grew closer, started to trust each other more, developed a strong bond. But nothing happened in terms of romantic development (even if fans wanted to interpret it that way, it was always platonic. Kubo’s own words confirmed that, along with the ending to boot).

Meanwhile, it was Orihime who was given romantic feelings for Ichigo—not Ichigo for Rukia. Not Rukia for Ichigo. But Orihime for Ichigo. That’s where any and all romance was focused at this point: Ichigo and Orihime. And Orihime was effectively made a shoe-in as a potential love-interest for Ichigo, because of those feelings, because that’s just how shounens work. 

Even the SS arc, which is heralded as the ‘Golden Age of IR’ had some definite misfires in terms of romantic hints or development between Ichigo and Rukia. There was so much potential that either wasn’t used, or was given to IH/RR instead. They spend practically the entire arc separated, their interactions were minimal, and they had to share the spotlight with RR, which, unlike IR, actually had a romantic context through Renji’s feelings.

Throughout the arc, Kubo still reminds us of Orihime’s feelings for Ichigo, and then, lo and behold, Renji’s feelings for Rukia are made clear as well. Once again: Not Ichigo’s feelings for Rukia. Not Rukia’s feelings for Ichigo. But Renji’s feelings for Rukia. 

So the romantic subplots are now Orihime–>Ichigo and Renji–>Rukia, while Ichigo and Rukia are still very much platonic. Kubo decided to create overt romantic feelings for two pairings other than IR—and they were the two pairings that actually opposed IR, nonetheless.

It was more important to him to make Orihime’s and Renji’s feelings canon, than it was to make at least either Ichigo or Rukia’s feelings for each other canon. That was telling you everything you needed to know about the set-up of the pairings, but people ignored it and bemoaned IH/RR for being “too one-sided!!” They never seemed to realize that one-sided was much, much better than zero-sided. 

Towards the end of the arc, Ichigo rescues Rukia and immediately throws her into Renji’s arms, tells Renji it’s his job to protect her—and he does this knowing how Renji feels about Rukia! That was supposed to be ichiruki’s big shining moment and yet it’s intercepted by renruki at Ichigo’s insistence. Then Ichigo battles Byakuya at the end, but it isn’t Rukia who’s watching from the forest or having to stop herself from running to his side, it’s Orihime. It isn’t Rukia who tries to catch Ichigo’s fall after that battle ends, kneels down at his side and cries tears of joy that he’s alright while Ichigo gives her puppy-dog eyes—that’s all Orihime. Meanwhile, Rukia is on the other side of SS, being cradled in Renji’s arms, and crying into Renji’s chest. 

It’s supposed to be all about IR and yet all of those cute, intimate, “shippy” moments are given to IH/RR while Ichigo and Rukia are still separated. It’s supposed to be all about Ichigo saving Rukia, and yet  at the very end, it’s Renji - not Ichigo -but Renji who keeps cradling Rukia in his arms, looks Aizen right in the eyes and says “I’ll never let her go.”

I mean, shouldn’t such a moment have gone to Ichigo instead if IR were romantic or meant to be romantic in the future? How did people not clue in to where things were heading by this point?


All of this RR/IH stuff is happening, while IR….?

They don’t interact again until they say goodbye at the end of the arc, and they’re cool with going their separate ways. Rukia shows up in the next arc and practically plays Cupid for Ichigo with Orihime by bringing him to her side and then hastily leaving the scene (even though she and Ichigo just reunited?? lol), and after the arrancar arc, you can practically count the number of IR moments on both hands for the remainder of the series.

Why do you think IR shippers anticipated and clamoured for and hyped up IR reunions so much? Because Ichigo and Rukia spent so much time apart in the manga. If your ship is getting a lot of screentime and development, you don’t need reunions, because the two of them aren’t apart long enough to require them.

But their screentime was so minimal. Long stretches of nothing but time spent apart in between reunions where their bond is reinforced as the same old thing it always was, while Rukia’s attached at Renji’s hip and Ichigo’s getting a truckload of screentime and romantic development with Orihime.

As I’ve said before, IR’s screentime and development was basically condensed into the beginning of the series and completed with those first two arcs, so there was simply nowhere else for Kubo to take it after that. They were as close as they could be, and he had no intention of taking things to a different level by making it romantic, so Ichigo’s relationships with other people - relationships that, unlike IR, still had plenty of room to grow and develop and be fleshed out (particularly his relations with Ishida and Orihime) were focused on instead.

And in the end, these first two arcs of the series that are held in such high regard to some shippers as ‘goldmines’ for IR, happened before the 2008 Fade to Black “it is not romantic (laughs)” interview. Meaning anything that happened prior to that interview—the AotS and SS arcs, which make up the bulk of IR moments and material, was all ruled as not romantic by Kubo himself. Add in the fact that Kubo also confirmed he decided on IH/RR after chapter one, and it’s a wrap. 

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